I disagreed, but I couldn't seem to dissuade Jon from this point of view. I argued that he was talking about responsibility, and that intent and responsibility were not linked. If two couples are both not actively preventing pregnancy, and one is trying while the other is not trying, both couples will be equally responsible if they produce a baby. If we're talking about responsibility, I completely agree with Jon. But I thought we were talking about "trying", which I don't think is the same thing.
Unfortunately, as is often the case, I came up with a much better response after the discussion was long over. When someone says "trying" they usually mean that they have a goal they wish to achieve. So if someone is "trying" to do something (including get pregnant) they are sad if they fail. When someone is "not trying" they're not sad if they fail. Imagine two couples:
Look at the couples who are trying. They're satisfaction with the result is exactly the opposite of those who are not trying. So, there are differences in the results. The actions and the consequences are not exactly the same. And I think this is what our friend was trying to say. When he said, "we're not trying" I think he meant that if they don't get pregnant, they won't be sad.(*)
Couple
Intentions
Results
Are they sad about this?
Tom & Sue
Trying
Get pregnant
No
Joe & Amy
Not trying
Get pregnant
Yes
Tom & Sue
Trying
Did not get pregnant
Yes
Joe & Amy
Not trying
Did not get pregnant
No
I understand why Jon, as a highschool teacher, makes this argument. It's meant to shock teenagers from some stupid excuse. It's meant to say that if they're not actively preventing pregnancy, they might as well be trying to get pregnant. I understand that stance. Its useful as a tool to dissuade teens who might become sexually active, or worse, become sexually active without any attempts to prevent a baby -- for which they will struggle to provide care. But I don't think that "trying" is the same thing as "not preventing". I think that's a redefinition of what most people mean when they say "trying".
(*) Ironically, when our friend asked his wife if they were "trying", she pretty much said yes. But I think my point stands despite the specific circumstances of our friends' lives.
Update:
I've added a new entry with a much better set of tables that explains what I was thinking.
3 comments:
Debate? You? [shocked expression]
I agree with your argument, however, I disagree with the choice of wording in the outcomes in your table. My wife and I might not be trying, but we also might not be sad if we got pregnant. Sadness implies that I have more than a casual desire to get pregnant or not (Hypothetically speaking of course. At 49 years old, I care deeply about our not getting pregnant) I think the better choice of outcomes is whether they got the results they wanted.
Another point that I just noticed as I re-read my comment is that "not trying" is not exactly the same thing as "trying not to". "Not trying" is more of a laissez-faire attitude. It is how we got our fourth daughter. "Trying not to" is what I did when I went to the doctor for the snip snip. It's why we only have four daughters.
That's a good distinction (not trying vs trying not to). I also agree that you might not be sad if you're not trying and get pregnant. Maybe I should change the outcome of that row to, "maybe".
Tonight, I told Jeanie about writing about the distinction between not trying and trying not to).
She laughed. :)
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